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Jean Giraud		#1 Posted : 06 April 2016 18:43:47(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		What I understand from Smath Studio: it is a stand alone big tool, a math tool. 2MB user interface working from associated plugins [total size 5346 = 235 MB]. Version 5346 runs on XP SP3, works fine as 5346 was stable, and unmodified. I will "NEVER" switch to other Windows OS . 1. Does 5935 run on XP SP3 ? 2. If YES: I would evaporate 5346 from PC and download all the 5935 components. 3. Plug everything in the program file and click to install. 4. Run each one of my 400 Smath work sheets [few days job]. 5. QUESTIONS: Will 5935 run 5346 work sheets ? i.e: backward compatibility? 6. If NOT: Will it be possible to "RESTRORE 5346" [hopefully YES], to be confirmed. 7. Smath 5346 'solve' is fine, Smath 5346 'Solve' does not work ! 8. Which of the 5935 plugins will not work ? Here, I understand that the plugins maintainers provide fix/update as replacement, from the forum only [no otherwise e-mail notification]. Looks attractive to update from 5346 to 5935 but risky from reading comments in this forum. From what I see here in this image are the MISSING step by step instructions: 1. How to evaporate Smath version previous to 5935 ? 2. How to install 5935 The procedure to evaporate I would attempt is quite standard: a\. Uninstall 5346 from XP Uninstall program b\. Delete all Smath 5346 folders from "Program File". c\. There is no Smath to remove from the "registry. Maths is not something one reads in diagonal, Smath as well when it comes to "Update" or run new version. I will gladely read comments from actual 5935 users that have switched from previous version and running fine all their work sheets created in previous Smath version(s). AND: no reply to the request for more than 5 messages when opening the forum. Just answer either: not possible or "YES soon".... there is an answer not answered! See what I meant from the "Download Smath Studio" ... missing instructions !


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ElSid		#2 Posted : 06 April 2016 19:44:45(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 05/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 433 Location: USA Was thanked: 17 time(s) in 15 post(s)		Yes, SMath is backwards compatible minus the new features (like appVersion which I think you will not use) ... Andrey responded to that question a while back. There is a caveat. As the group progresses the feature set of SMath, some of the "rules" are being re-enforced or re-defined. You were POST #5 and Aundrey was #8 Originally Posted by: Andrey Ivashov Originally Posted by: tomtit The error message is "s - not defined". It's bothering me, because of I've used the functions in several documents. It is because of the following string (in two places): Starting from SMath Studio 0.98 application handles calculation parts from left to right when no other rules to follow. And it became a rule now which will remain the same in future. So you just need to change places for 1-st and 3-rd operations in your matrix: Sorry for this, but before 0.98 order of operations in such cases was not actually strictly defined. Don't lock yourself in. Your too valuable of a collab to be hampered with some of the progress. As a suggestion, grab your existing files ... SMath and plugins and put into an archive. Then install new version of SMath. Fix the few "breaks" and your golden. You answering and opening sheets built with newer versions of SMath already.


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Andrey Ivashov		#3 Posted : 06 April 2016 20:08:45(UTC)
Rank: Administration Groups: Developers, Registered, Knovel Developers, Administrators, Advanced Member Joined: 11/07/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,616 Was thanked: 1978 time(s) in 666 post(s)		Hello, Jean. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Does 5935 run on XP SP3? Yes. I've tested it before release. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Will 5935 run 5346 work sheets ? i.e: backward compatibility? Yes. I have a huge library of the worksheets and I use them to test backward compatibility before releasing of a new version. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Smath 5346 'solve' is fine, Smath 5346 'Solve' does not work ! Please use http://smath.info/bts/ to report bugs. We using it to collect reports and fix them one by one. I'm not a magician - errors are possible, but I do everything I can to make number of errors as small as possible. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Which of the 5935 plugins will not work ? Here, I understand that the plugins maintainers provide fix/update as replacement, from the forum only [no otherwise e-mail notification]. You are right. It is my fault. It must be some wizard shown to check installed plug-ins and to instruct user about what to do to fix known issues. I will work on it. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud How to install 5935 It doesn't matter if you do a fresh install of SMath Studio or make an update - you should not have any instructions. All you need is provided by UI of MSI installer. That is it. If there is anything unclear, I should fix it! There is nothing to discuss actually. Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud The procedure to evaporate I would attempt is quite standard: a\. Uninstall 5346 from XP Uninstall program b\. Delete all Smath 5346 folders from "Program File". c\. There is no Smath to remove from the "registry. Totally wrong. You should not uninstall old version, delete any folders or registry keys. MSI installer of newer SMath Studio version always do these actions for you by itself. Just follow the wizard. Again, if anything goes bad, please report it, so I will be able to do appropriate corrections. Best regards.
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Jean Giraud		#4 Posted : 07 April 2016 02:57:55(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Thanks Andrey: OK, you are not a magician, but you have magic brain ! Jean


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mikekaganski		#5 Posted : 07 April 2016 03:27:19(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 17/01/2013(UTC) Posts: 296 Location: Khabarovsk, Russia Was thanked: 151 time(s) in 107 post(s)		Actually, I'd advise you to create a virtual PC (using something like VirtualBox) to install newer SMath, and test (and possibly fix) your sheets before upgrading your main SMath. There will surely be quite some places where an intervention will be required, you will for sure want to report some bugs, and my proposal will enable you to continue using working solution while preparing safe switch (without unnecessary frustration, and being confident what you are doing, instead of relying on someone's advise). VM would be even slower, but for me, that would be worth it. Of course, another real PC would be even better, if that is realistic.
		Best regards, Mike Kaganski


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Jean Giraud		#6 Posted : 07 April 2016 05:24:55(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Thanks Mike: your collboration is most appreciated. My 5th PC would do, virgin of Smath, but actually being doctored . Jean


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Tinu		#7 Posted : 08 April 2016 12:23:41(UTC)
Rank: Member Groups: Registered Joined: 04/01/2014(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Bern Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 12 post(s)		Hello Mike, Jean etc. My way of testing new releases of SM is as follows: For reasons of portabiliy I am using since years the "inofficial" portable version proposed by my namesake Martin Kraska. This way all SM-files are stored in the SM-working directory (plugins, settings etc.)and nothing in any Windows subdirectory. All you need is an empty file called portable.version in your SM_working directory. @Andrey: Unfortunately this trick still does not work on my Linux system! : there the files are still stored in some hidden systemdirectory :'( Anyway, on windows: 1. just copy the whole working SM-directory of your old "portable" version to a new one. 2. download and unpack the LINUX .tar.gz file of the new release and overwrite all existing files in your newly created directory. Now you have two different active versions (with identical settings and plugins) which can simply be starded by doubleclick on the appropriate icon. Martin

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Jean Giraud		#8 Posted : 08 April 2016 17:30:15(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Tinu Now you have two different active versions Quite right Martin: two different versions but two micmack versions. Visit "MicMack" Amerindians from Wkipedia. micmack became a french word for "mixed up things"...nearly => Floccinaucinihilipilification. I have two icons to open Smath 5346. One opens a non installed Smath directly from C:\ Smath+Maxima and one that opens installed Smath from C:\Program Files. Their diretory are same top to botom, all items. Do they work the same in Smath work sheets ? ANSWER: NO What's different in quick explore once in work sheet 1. from the uninstalled C:\ ... it has => Numeric up-down, Slider, severals "Ridder" roots solve but does not have the long series of functions "mw...." where you get Bessel ++++ 2. from the installed C:\Program files has: the advanced "mw..." functions Does not have: Numeric up-down, slider, no "Ridder" roots solve. I did not dare install the C:\ Smath+Maxima being scared to lose some of its specifics. This version does not open the work sheet direcly unlike C:\Pogram Files. I has a drop down panel asking "Do you want to run this software ?" YES, done, work sheet with its supplementary and missing features. My latest "Legendre Quadrature [Reconciliation]" from last night has the Numeric up-down just to be more didactic. Otherwise my work sheets are all [if not] classical from the installed C:\ Program Files\Smath Studio. What I don't understand is why the installed C:\Program Files did not install the complete plugins, i.e: the complete system. To that question some might reply: zap the plugin you don't use. The plugins idea is great while Smath results from volontary collaboration in evolution. Mathcad 11 was the same, not from Plugins, but from "subcontracts", they were unified thus enabling Mathcad 11 to be like semi-compiled when installing, thus making Mathcad 11 " bomb compute" vs Smath. More I don't understand: 2014-11-16 [Smath Studio 0.97.5346 ...Maxima 5.34.1] Welcome to the portable distribution of SMath Studio with Maxima - ready to use SMath Studio with most of the available plugins installed - Maxima installation included and Maxima plugin configured. What portable means ? to me it means it works from "ports" "from ports" ??? from WIFI . My laptop [one meter away] runs same Smath than the PC I'm posting this message. Cheers Martin, have a good day. Jean PS: This forum is "damned well done" ! Wile replying your post I can read what you just wrote. Just missing more than 5 cumulative posts when opening the main forum. How many are missed while in bed ?


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Tinu		#9 Posted : 08 April 2016 21:02:57(UTC)
Rank: Member Groups: Registered Joined: 04/01/2014(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: Bern Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 12 post(s)		Jean: IMHO you are actually using a mix of two versions (mickmack?). Quote: I have two icons to open Smath 5346. One opens a non installed Smath directly from C:\ Smath+Maxima and one that opens installed Smath from C:\Program Files. Their diretory are same top to botom, all items. This can't be true. All systemfiles of the official windows installation (C:Program Files) should be in a directory called something like this: C:\Users\YOUR NAME\AppData\Roaming\SMath On the "portable" installation the corresponding files are in the working directory. I.e. all plugins etc. must be installed separately for both versions. The LINUX_file contains no third party plugins, they must be installed/updated inside portable SM via plugin manager. Your portable directory must contain its own system files i.e. the complete subdirectory "extensions". P.S. Current Maxima plugin does not work on my Windows 10 system. Martin

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Jean Giraud		#10 Posted : 08 April 2016 21:26:42(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Tinu P.S. Current Maxima plugin does not work on my Windows 10 system. Martin That was reported before, from recollection => doctored. Lots of Maxima are "... forcibly closed by the remote host" Reported many times what it means => answer lost in the wind. If you have the X_Y plot, you have a bit of Maxima If you have "solve", another bit of Maxima... Jean


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