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ioan92		#1 Posted : 22 October 2023 01:49:51(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 41 Was thanked: 153 time(s) in 119 post(s)		Hello Andrey, Hello Everibody, Smath Matrix object is a very useful object. I would like to propose some discrete separation lines between the cells (as Excel does, for instance), in order to facilitate the good lecture. I think that the problem belongs to SMath main program and do not to plugins zone. Thanks, Ioan Edited by user 22 October 2023 03:49:43(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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ioan92		#2 Posted : 22 October 2023 03:58:06(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 41 Was thanked: 153 time(s) in 119 post(s)		Thank you Jean, It's interesting what you mention but my objective is another - easily identifying visualy a cell content. Salut, Ioan Edited by user 22 October 2023 04:05:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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mkraska		#3 Posted : 22 October 2023 21:19:10(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 15/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,986 Was thanked: 1124 time(s) in 721 post(s)		Originally Posted by: ioan92 Hello Andrey, Hello Everibody, Smath Matrix object is a very useful object. I would like to propose some discrete separation lines between the cells (as Excel does, for instance), in order to facilitate the good lecture. Thanks, Ioan I support this proposal. Here is an example where it is nearly impossible to visually recognize which spaces separate matrix entries and which separate factors. It could be mitigated by a smaller gap between factors (in those cases where the point is ommitted). If the matrix grid is introduced, then there should probably be an option to control printing appearance just like with the background grid.
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ioan92		#4 Posted : 23 October 2023 20:53:10(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 41 Was thanked: 153 time(s) in 119 post(s)		Another solution for making the matrix object more readable would be by making the matrix background slightly colored like a chessboard grid. Ioan
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ioan92		#5 Posted : 24 October 2023 01:31:07(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 41 Was thanked: 153 time(s) in 119 post(s)		Jean, you seems outsids the topic. My subject is the "matrix object" and not the "table object". They are very differents so please do not poluate the post ! Ioan
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Razonar		#6 Posted : 24 October 2023 02:00:12(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 28/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 1,356 Was thanked: 815 time(s) in 516 post(s)		Hi. There are some standards, probably some of mandatory compliance. For instance, ISO 80000-2 (2009, there are some other newest) says and from NIST Guide to the SI: So, maybe to solve the hard issue pointed out by Martin, perhaps the best solution is just to increase the spacing between the elements of the matrix. For the original question, about nested arrays, I have no idea. Best regards. Alvaro. Edited by user 24 October 2023 02:02:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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ioan92		#7 Posted : 24 October 2023 23:45:02(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 41 Was thanked: 153 time(s) in 119 post(s)		Hi Alvaro, Thank you for your comments. AFAIK, the matrix object does not introduce specific features that could be in conflict with the ISO 80000-2:2009 standard. The SMath matrix content is always obeying (?) the general representation of data in SMath, what is a full different subject. My simple objection is that having no visible separators for cells, the easy readability of SMath Matrix Object is not enough facilitated. I believe that the solution is not too complicated. A lot of successful examples are: the page grill in SMath itself (that can be made visible or not), the MS Excel, the SMath Table Object etc. I do not see serious objections against some innovative solutions, as far as the main objective is conserved. I note that the SMath Matrix object is a very smart one, being able to include a large type of content (text, formula, another matrix, eaven complex functions etc.). Best Regards, Ioan Edited by user 25 October 2023 00:12:05(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Razonar		#8 Posted : 25 October 2023 13:39:24(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 28/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 1,356 Was thanked: 815 time(s) in 516 post(s)		Hi Ioan. I know that your improvement is very good to achieve better visualization in SMath. However, comparing how the matrix is displayed with other software, I think the main problem is that we need some more space between the matrix elements. Putting all together However, it would be very interesting to also have the options you propose. Best regards. Alvaro. Edited by user 25 October 2023 13:41:00(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Jean Giraud		#9 Posted : 26 October 2023 06:57:13(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Originally Posted by: ioan92 My simple objection is that having no visible separators for cells, the easy readability of SMath Matrix Object is not enough facilitated. Visible separators dates back Mathcad 11, 8 Pro. matrix:=[sqrt(2)"ln(2)"pi] matrix=[1.4142"0.6931"3.1416] ... separated c/w separators
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Jean Giraud		#10 Posted : 26 October 2023 07:01:12(UTC)
Rank: Guest Groups: Registered Joined: 04/07/2015(UTC) Posts: 6,866 Was thanked: 981 time(s) in 809 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Visible separators dates back Mathcad 11, 8 Pro Delicious "..." separation
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overlord		#11 Posted : 26 October 2023 07:48:42(UTC)
Rank: Advanced Member Groups: Registered Joined: 23/07/2013(UTC) Posts: 1,128 Was thanked: 509 time(s) in 339 post(s)		Originally Posted by: ioan92 My simple objection is that having no visible separators for cells, the easy readability of SMath Matrix Object is not enough facilitated. I do not see serious objections against some innovative solutions, as far as the main objective is conserved. I think a visual separator is a good idea. Maybe these can be used for adding blank rows and columns too.
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