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Offline hawe  
#1 Posted : 19 April 2020 14:24:42(UTC)
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Hallo zusammen,

DimEigenraum: (n-rank(A-λ*E))=1@#
should be 2
some steps of elementary row additions later
is 2

https://de.smath.com/cloud/sheet/vooDFR4FbP

any idea whats wrong?

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#2 Posted : 19 April 2020 16:08:10(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 19 April 2020 16:19:42(UTC)
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Upps, sorry

Made a link
https://de.smath.com/cloud/worksheet/3BgYDE7e,


Maxima pure
(%i6) A: matrix([1,1,1,-1,0],[0,1,0,0,1],[0,0,0,1,0],[0,0,-1,2,1],[0,0,0,0,1])$
(%i7) A-1*ident(5)$
(%i5) rank(A-1*ident(5));
(%o5) 3
but
Maxima(rank(A-1*identity(5)))=4
or
DimEigenraum: (n-rank(A-λ*E))=1
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#4 Posted : 19 April 2020 19:37:27(UTC)
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The referenced sheet seems to use Maxima(). This doesn't work, as third party plug-ins aren't available in the cloud version.
It is better to attach such files here.
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#5 Posted : 19 April 2020 19:50:54(UTC)
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rank(M) ... matrix rank is Smath built-in.
Here is a most precious application.

Matrix PseudoInverse.sm (112kb) downloaded 9 time(s).
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#6 Posted : 19 April 2020 20:09:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jean Giraud Go to Quoted Post
rank(M) ... matrix rank is Smath built-in.
Matrix PseudoInverse.sm (112kb) downloaded 9 time(s).

and in how far do your example explain the incorrect calculation


Originally Posted by: mkraska Go to Quoted Post
The referenced sheet seems to use Maxima(). This doesn't work, as third party plug-ins aren't available in the cloud version.
It is better to attach such files here.


the Maxima part calculate the single eigenvalue which is set manually in cloud version

SMath Studio 0.99.6884 - [JordanMatrix5x5-5fachEW-HV.1.2.Stufe.sm_]_2020-04-19_19-07-08.jpg

JordanMatrix5x5-5fachEW-HV.1.2.Stufe .sm (48kb) downloaded 11 time(s).

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#7 Posted : 20 April 2020 05:51:44(UTC)
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Hi. You're right, it's a bug and there are no way to make this works (numerical nor symbolic):

Clipboard01.jpg

First column is zero and 3th = - 4th columns, so can't be rank = 4.

Best regards.

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#8 Posted : 20 April 2020 17:51:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hawe Go to Quoted Post
and in how far do your example explain the incorrect calculation

Just advanced maths above the classroom.
Your example replies bug from incorrectly threaded input.
As given, your [5*5] matrix has no mathematical meaning.

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#9 Posted : 20 April 2020 20:19:49(UTC)
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... clean the bugger
What application do you have for "rank(,) ?
Don't confuse with Rank in Data Analysis.
rref [Row Reduce Echelon Function] is a damned long monkey business.
Has it been done in Smath ... Watson ?


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#10 Posted : 20 April 2020 20:51:32(UTC)
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... Rank(V)
Given a set of data values, the rank of each value is the position
at which that value appears in a sorted list of the data.
When values repeat, the rank is an average of the indices where
the value occurs after sorting.
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